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Basically my plans for Paignton local routes can be done as either one or two routes - currently undecided.


You have the 2 roads leading into/out of Paignton. If you have the seafront behind you, and Totnes infront of you, I have plans for bus lines on either side of that corridor. On the left you have the depot and the trading estate - it seems only natural that the space behind this would be a council estate - concrete roads, grass verges, flat roof pubs and traffic calming. It would eventually find the ring road crossing infront of it, so the route could lead up to the hospital - i.e. Bus Station > Seafront > Depot > Trading Estate > Council estate > Hospital (or maybe stop outside the hospital and carry on to an Asda?).


One thing I've not done is proper suburbia - I was thinking this could be on the 'right hand side' of the corridor, but this has no natural destination - I was thinking maybe it could be the Paignton end of a rural route which goes up to the Whitehill area (but then that would be beyond the scope of a Paignton-only map release).
 

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Whitehill makes sense to turn into an area of sprawling suburbia attached to Paignton to me - a village which has got absorbed into the town, maybe with a few hints of its former life in the centre. I'd certainly count it as being the Paignton 'end' of the map - there's a great big gap between it and Berry Pomeroy.


I mentioned in the stream I'm wondering about starting from scratch with Totnes, as it feels a bit pieced together at the moment. Obviously I can re-use the buildings I've made for it. I also wonder whether its really appropriate to have it as an estuary town rather than a river town - it messes up the geography a little, and if we're going on to Cornwall we'll have harbour towns covered there. I know that causes problems with the plans for the 525, though.


Berry Pomeroy, however, I'm entirely happy with.
 
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I'd leave Totnes alone tbh. I intend to go over it myself anyway. The map was started back in OMSI 1 days, just after the Devon map, geography was never considered so it is inaccurate from the start so I wouldn't even worry about trying to align it with real-world geography. I'm literally just reusing the town names and the theme of each area.
 
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I think a large council estate like Blacon, Chester. A very regular bus service as it is a massive council estate with lots of passengers. Companies fighting for the route so we could have SC or Arriva with times a few minutes infront and trial that or something like that. I think Whitehall is too posh and near Collarton for it. Council estates are generally near to hospitals from what I know.
 

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I'd leave Totnes alone tbh. I intend to go over it myself anyway. The map was started back in OMSI 1 days, just after the Devon map, geography was never considered so it is inaccurate from the start so I wouldn't even worry about trying to align it with real-world geography. I'm literally just reusing the town names and the theme of each area.










It's not necessarily real-word geography that it needs aligning with - it's also alignment with the in-game 'geography'. For instance, if Totnes is sited on an estuary, that means that there needs to be a bloody great estuary bridge downstream from it coming out of the other side of Paignton - unless I've misunderstood the way the areas are going to fit together?


In terms of the layout of the rebuild, I was thinking of making it a lot closer to the real Totnes, but with a parkway station in very much the same vein as Bodmin. I'm just not sure that it ought to be a harbour town if we're going to introduce one of them down the line, and it also feels far too jumbled together to me at the moment. I think it needs starting from scratch like Berry Pomeroy - the best areas on the map are the ones which have been rebuilt wholesale, and Totnes is still built off the groundwork and layout of the original, I think it shows.


My thoughts are mainly about the feel of the towns, and I don't think we have the feel of anywhere like the real Totnes yet - Paignton is certainly very different, as is Bath, and we're going to do harbour towns down the line so I don't think it's necessary to try to re-character Totnes as one of them.
 
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OK well that's fair enough. Although something I'd put to you would be to isolate Totnes and save it seperately before you clear it. I'm sure there's people who would like to have a look at it as it is.


PS I notice development conversation has found its way to this subforum. I suggest keeping it that way as I'm sure people would appreciate being able to see how we're developing the map outside streams.


With regards to geography, if you're clearing away the harbour (as it would be employed further West anyway), then it would still be fine for the 525 to be a riverside route coming in to Totnes - Totnes IRL is a river town. The assets  you have put together so far for Totnes are taken from RL so ofc they can be re employed in a refurbished town.


As far as local landmarks are concerned - there's actually very little from the perspective of a bus driver - the main landmark is the high street which is barely wide enough for car traffic at the top. However, I feel that it is something too characteristic to omit, so I put it to you that we go at least part way up it on one of the local routes (perhaps the 525), enough to see the archway at the least.


Here's a diagram of Totnes IRL with a selection of landmarks:


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The castle is modelled in Earth so in theory there should be a Warehouse item for it.


Some streetview links to accompany the diagram:

Totnes High Street (Blue): https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4309198,-3.6836601,3a,75y,288.54h,82.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQAszpQf7Xb2w2UB4eLbFgg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


Note that the one way system has been returned to its original state since this photo was taken - traffic now travels up the high street over its entire length


Totnes High Street (Red): https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4315952,-3.6902479,3a,75y,261.73h,84.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBFIbLBwcvSrNiQ_NBPIXlQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


Archway: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4314141,-3.6867487,3a,75y,282.87h,97.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPaRU58uZch8dySHJtyWnCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


Castle: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4321632,-3.6907508,3a,75y,196.45h,74.82t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s-ESD_XNYe-QI%2FVc02xL6iPPI%2FAAAAAAAAAS0%2FHT5Mo013oWopg4_NHJsHsYqXBcf-sZaWg!2e4!3e11!6s%2F%2Flh4.googleusercontent.com%2F-ESD_XNYe-QI%2FVc02xL6iPPI%2FAAAAAAAAAS0%2FHT5Mo013oWopg4_NHJsHsYqXBcf-sZaWg%2Fw203-h101-n-k-no%2F!7i9728!8i4864?hl=en


Royal Seven Stars Hotel: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4307752,-3.682998,3a,75y,2.98h,96.82t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sytTnp1UB3kcFjsqf3yPmKQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DytTnp1UB3kcFjsqf3yPmKQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D197.50145%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


The Plains: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4299674,-3.6832332,3a,75y,6.54h,83.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4SqNYBfl2jqz2ZFviMpzKw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


Ornate Bridge: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4303809,-3.6814049,3a,75y,286.51h,77.7t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sLBDA9KDspLiLT7TyDYKN1g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DLBDA9KDspLiLT7TyDYKN1g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D12.929269%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


Bus stops (continues on the left after the bend): https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4308529,-3.6826759,3a,75y,15.52h,79.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAUqTIkkQCKFT5CMCtWi_3A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


Morrisons is just around the bend as well


Light trading: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4340121,-3.6871917,3a,75y,258.15h,76.55t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swYyLCIgoxnMZy3lz2jhsiQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DwYyLCIgoxnMZy3lz2jhsiQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D358.57144%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


Totnes Rail: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4360174,-3.6881626,3a,75y,217.68h,82.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6oPuli53VQFILk8KNyFo-g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


Main road out to A38: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4377085,-3.6940466,3a,75y,146.7h,76.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saGCMZgGxK0MUg_n6md0zOA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


(Passes through this small town on the way out): https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4465797,-3.7091452,3a,75y,272.76h,78.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sm6fnHWfp46wzjrAqPRAdGA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dm6fnHWfp46wzjrAqPRAdGA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D3.9887421%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en






The 35 routes would naturally come in using the main road at the bottom, they would use the newer bridge on the right hand side (main road), then do a left at the roundabout and stop at the bus stops by Morrisons/Seven Stars. The bus stops on the other side of the road are generally local services. Buses leaving Totnes would use the ornate bridge (Bridgetown), and either turn left at the main road to head back through Totnes (via light trading) to the A38 or turn right to go back to Paignton. Of course, all this is open to your interpretation.


With the 525, I'm thinking that it would terminate at the local bus stops by Morrisons, using the roundabout just to the right to turn back and head over The Plains (thus making use of that), through the marine industry and along a new fictional road riverside. However this would not involve the high street, so I'm not sure if you want to put another route in there or have the Plymouth-bound service loop round via high street (blue) to head back to the A38 (as it wouldn't be a frequent service anyway).


As for the geography of the area, the town sits in a fairly steep valley.
 
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I'll certainly save the current Totnes first. I may even offer it up to the forums as a starting point for other people's maps if people are interested (comment to let me know).


I like keeping dev talk here for the most part, makes things more interesting for everyone. Obviously there's a few things to keep behind closed doors, and it would be unfair to get people excited with the ideas we come up with and then can, but in general I think it's a great idea.


For the castle, I've found the sketchup model of it and it's actually very useable, so that can definitely go in - though I think the Warehouse T&Cs might have changed recently.


For the 525, what I might do is run it along High Street so you come up really close to the arch - which I already have a model of made - and then turn off. That'll provide some nice tight driving as well as a local landmark. I'll have a proper think about it when I have time.
 

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Yeah fair enough.I don't have a problem with Totnes being published as a non-functional map snippet as it is basically your creation anyway. Given the huge changes to the map I'm considering (once we have published a stable copy of the map) to go back to the pre-refurb version of the map (i.e. current public version) and giving that a polish as I'm sure some people will miss the old layout. 
 

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Yeah fair enough.I don't have a problem with Totnes being published as a non-functional map snippet as it is basically your creation anyway. Given the huge changes to the map I'm considering (once we have published a stable copy of the map) to go back to the pre-refurb version of the map (i.e. current public version) and giving that a polish as I'm sure some people will miss the old layout. 










A "One last hurrah" for BotW 1 is certainly a winner by me. Swan Street in particular is something I suspect people will be missing.

I cant wait for this map. PLEASE release it soon. The excitement from the OMSI UK community is madness. The map is fantastic so far.










Patience, it may look complete but that's because we're only showing off the complete parts. It'll be a good while yet.
 

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A "One last hurrah" for BotW 1 is certainly a winner by me. Swan Street in particular is something I suspect people will be missing.


Patience, it may look complete but that's because we're only showing off the complete parts. It'll be a good while yet.






Gutted. It does look really complete. Can we see a shot of Paignton Zoo or has that not changed?
 

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I'd also second the thought of releasing Paington spearatly, up until Whitehill/Paington KFC. I was also thinking on having a Hospital Express route too, going up the main road, bypassing the zoo and in to the Hospital?
 

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In the spirit of keeping things public, I've tidied up one of the maps we've been discussing our plans with today :) This is in no way to any scale of any kind, but it does show the way the routes fit together.


Only two more weeks until my course is over for the year, so I'll be ramping my development back up again. I think as a rough guess you should expect to see Paignton first, followed by updated Cotterell/Bath, then the Paignton-Totnes corridor, then the connection of the two maps together, for which Iomex has already done a lot of the groundwork. Then, eventually, we can go west!




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In the spirit of keeping things public, I've tidied up one of the maps we've been discussing our plans with today :) This is in no way to any scale of any kind, but it does show the way the routes fit together.


Only two more weeks until my course is over for the year, so I'll be ramping my development back up again. I think as a rough guess you should expect to see Paignton first, followed by updated Cotterell/Bath, then the Paignton-Totnes corridor, then the connection of the two maps together, for which Iomex has already done a lot of the groundwork. Then, eventually, we can go west!






I think you need more devs to help you. All that is a large area and you have said it will take a long time anyway but you have expanded the plans to my knowledge. God help you guys. I think you are mad but good luck.
 
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