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Should Conductors be Brought Back?

Discussion in 'OMSI & OMSI 2' started by BML_Atkinson, Dec 30, 2016.

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Should conductors return to the buses?

  1. Yes

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    46.9%
  2. No

    17 vote(s)
    53.1%
  1. BML_Atkinson

    BML_Atkinson Well-Known Member

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    I'm just wondering the communitys view of conductors and am wondering whether the community thinks conductors should return. Please post your reasons for or against the return of conductors.
     
  2. Jacobthebus

    Jacobthebus Robbie Rotton's Bandmaster Experience-749 Years

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    They were one of only a couple of people who really kept common transport running. They are a great loss, and it really is a shame that they're now going on the NRM's. :(
     
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  3. Kieron

    Kieron Essay Master

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    Although I rather miss conductors, I think on current day buses, they may be more of a hindrance than they are worth. Employing two men per bus, would also be very costly for some of the smaller companies.
     
  4. steven2e0cnd

    steven2e0cnd New Member

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    I would argue that getting people onboard and the bus moving again as quickly as possible would have a ease congestion at rush hour. The amount of time i sit behind a bus at a stop with no way of passing, whilst he is dealing with an awkward passenger is unbelievable
     
  5. [EN] MilPop14

    [EN] MilPop14 New Member

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    In central London I think it has little impact as if there is a awkward passenger, the traffic in central London is so slow the vehicle in front probably won't have even moved yet and if it has only by a few metres.
     
  6. Kieron

    Kieron Essay Master

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    But with the entrance no wider, I don't see how a conductor can help this. If many people get on at one stop, all that will happen is the conductor issues the tickets instead of the driver. No time will be saved.
     
  7. [EN] MilPop14

    [EN] MilPop14 New Member

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    I guess they could be issued once onboard the bus so that the bus can depart quicker.
     
  8. ross4122

    ross4122 Clippie Veg Junior UKDT

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    I see no one has mentioned the route 73 in Dundee? It's the only route (outside London) to use conductors Monday to Saturday, on every daytime scheduled service. ;) (it operates every 10 to 15 minuts, by the way)
     
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  9. steven2e0cnd

    steven2e0cnd New Member

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    exactly that!
    That's true, however on say a route that serves a metropolitan district it does make a difference, especially when operators give change. another way around it of course, is to have ticket machines at stops. like London or Tram stops etc but of course both options cost considerable money so operators are unlikely to invest.
     
  10. [EN] MilPop14

    [EN] MilPop14 New Member

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    It could do however it seemed the routes that did have conductors mainly kept to the central busy areas of London. I'm not from London but from my observations more bus stops in the suburbs have bus stops which pull in, out of the main road.
     
  11. steven2e0cnd

    steven2e0cnd New Member

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    Sorry i should have stated that London is a world to its own. I was thinking more along the lines of bigger city's like Nottingham, Manchester, Glasgow etc all of which do have the issue in my eyes.
     
  12. [EN] MilPop14

    [EN] MilPop14 New Member

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    I think with technology evolving into m-tickets and contactless card payments and passes such as oyster this won't be a problem as much in the future.
     
  13. Kieron

    Kieron Essay Master

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    Yes, however it would make it increasingly easy to fare evade, unless the tickets were issued near the door which would then cause a backlog and mean the bus still can't move any quicker.

    Does it work well?

    In London, the conductors are nearly all gone due to the 'Oyster and contactless payment card only' approach, they no longer serve a purpose :(
     
  14. ross4122

    ross4122 Clippie Veg Junior UKDT

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    Yeah it works really well. And it's not easy to fare evade as the conductor tends to be at the door when the passenger boards etc.
     
  15. mrmoose

    mrmoose Active Member

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    Looking at it purely from a cost/profit driven perspective, which is the environment which our bus companies operate - Assume you paid a conductor minimum wage (£7.20ph), and assuming the number of passengers/revenue per trip stays the same, the reduced dwell time at bus stops, needs to lead to increased vehicle utilisation - to greater value than the cost of employing the conductor.

    Practically, then your bus currently does 20 trips per day over 10 hours - but employing a conductor and reduced dwell times now means it can do 21 trips per day, and reduces your PVR from say 10 to 9 on a route - the revenue of the extra trip, would need to cover the cost of the conductor over 10 hours (£72), minus the savings from the smaller fleet, in order to make it profitable.

    The only times where I can see conductors being viable, is on very busy urban bus routes, where bus stop dwell times are high, and most fares are cash. As we move towards accepting contactless cards outside London in the next few years, plus season tickets become smart cards - I can't see conductors returning to the buses in the future.
     
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  16. Frenzie 2

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    I think that they will only return when the buses become driver less in the next few years as staff would be useful to have to control crowds and prevent vandalism on the bus.
     
  17. [EN] MilPop14

    [EN] MilPop14 New Member

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    London Buses no longer take cash for security reasons.
     
  18. Kieron

    Kieron Essay Master

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    He wasn't talking about London though?
     
  19. [EN] MilPop14

    [EN] MilPop14 New Member

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    Oh, I thought this thread was referring to no longer having conductors on buses in London, not just generally. Guess I must've misunderstood.
     
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  20. Kieron

    Kieron Essay Master

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    Oh well :tongueout: Still conductors here in London will be gone soon...
     
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